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1:05am 08-21-2019
Stu
PPS
Cecily Maude, my mother ad daughter to Fransisco Charles Parker Palmer was born on 16th of November.If you would be kind enough to update the records please.
Thanks.
Stu
12:57am 08-21-2019
Stu
PS, spelling mistakes courtesy of my French PC word correction which often has difficulty with there and their.
12:51am 08-21-2019
Stu
Update
My wife Ann and I visited the respective churches of my great grandfather and grandfather on Saturday 17/08/2019.
25 years since our last visit either our memories are fading or their has been deterioration or movement of their head stones. The stones were clearly legible at the time but a quarter of a century is a long time for friable stone.
We scanned the cemetery in increasing circles and sadly found nothing.
I will right to the respective churches just in case we missed them.
Neville and I have made direct contact but after just a hello from your good self I have not yet received the full email you spoke of and I only hope your in good health.
Next week I will be meeting my cousin Marion for the first time since Uncle Cyrils send off. We have had some good email exchange meanwhile and I am really looking forward to seeing her.
During my visit to Hilgay on saturday I had a couple in the Rose & Crown where I learned there are Malcolm and Anthony Palmer living in the village.
I didn't want to cold call but it would be nice to know if they are relatives if any one knows.
Good wishes.
Stu
1:02pm 06-23-2019
Stu
Hi Neville,
Thanks for contacting me. I live in France but either way it is along way to share a pint and more is the pity.
I met Mervyn back in the seventies when I was driving mum around Norfolk one weekend after she had a week at great aunt Veras (Becky?) in Hunstanton . Mum had tea with him while my younger brother and I had a pint in the Local at Hilgay. Prior to that she had visited Sarah Trundle (spelling?) who must have been your mum but you took the Palmer name and Mervyn I seem to recall kept Trundle.But then I could be wrong. My own name of Roberts doesn't equate to the name of Gouch ,which is on my birth certificate, and, as there is no father recorded on that certificate I was at one stage going to take on the name Palmer as it is the only heritage I have.
Mum spoke of you and Mervyn may have told her that you had moved to Canada. I visited Rene and Paul in Canada in the Seventies and later so Did mum and some of my siblings,of whom I no longer have contact with.
I recall mum would talk of another Vera, other than Becky, so I now know she is my Aunt and I wish her the happiest of birthdays.
I think you have answered why grandad wasn't at his fathers funeral though your mum was if my text above is correct.
History does repeat itself as I will explain when we continue to communicate as I believe Ann has mutually supplied our contact details.
I had a feeling mum was blacklisted also in some ways as she did choose to stay with your dad when the split came and also I knew she was a bit of a stirrer as well in later life.
Weather you like it or not you are my Uncle Neville and I am glad you have written, though you will be able to tell me much, much more than I can tell you.
Thank you for confirming grandads place of rest and when I visit, in your name, I'll add another wild flower to the bunch that I will pick from the paths he knew.
All the best to you Neville and we'll chat later.
Stu
4:27pm 06-22-2019
Neville A Palmer
Hi Stu! I am one of the children of Frisco (Francisco Charles Parker Palmer). Born in 1940 at Crowhall Denver. I have a Sister Vera who lives in Felixstowe, (she was 89 yesterday), brother Mervyn in Downham Market, brother Teddy died in 1943 & buried in Denver cementry of Sandy Lane & sister Jocelyn in Downham. The names of Ken, Renee, Cyril & your mum are our step brothers/sisters. You are correct in saying my dad is buried in Denver cementry, I have visited the grave a few times, it is in very poor condition, the lead writing was all falling out over the years (79). I guess one of the young girls that caught my dad's eye was my mother!!! The rest is history. After that affair I guess he was black listed from the Palmer Family. I had uncles/aunts, cousins who would not acknowledge we were relatives. Ken & his family were very good friends with my brother Mervyn & Renee who lived in Niagra Falls Canada & I were very good friends. Many years she gave me a prayer book that was my Dad's & it was given to him in 1891 when he was 5 years old by his Aunt Mary Jewson. So after all this I guess I am your Uncle! I live in Canada & have since 1972 I gather that you live in Australia. I would like to keep in touch with you as we have many stories to tell. Have to work out how to swap email addresses. Take care Neville.
4:18pm 06-14-2019
Stu
No more a technophobe than I.
I have received Ann MCs joint response to you and I and have read as much of the links she provided to no avail, our problem of communicating remains unresolved so I am going to take a punt on giving you my business web site address, at best you can contact me on that and at worse it could drum up more enquiries that'll have to wait until 2020, haha!
It must have broke your heart to have your daughter leave for such distant shores.We all live within 30 minutes at most ,and our in laws parents also, but I guess we have already taken the plunge in moving abroad and everyone is content.

Stu xx
I have just tried presenting you with my business address but this site has just blocked me as spam so I have now deleted it and try another way which involves you in placing a dot after the abbreviation of world wide web and then typing in aquapierre immediately after then adding another dot immediately after that and follow that with c o m but put them closer together.
I'm sure you'll sort it out and I'll receive your direct contact soon.
Stu xxx
9:59am 06-12-2019
marion ingram
I;m not sure how this works either .! I;m not a great technophobe.!
Perhaps someone can come up with an answer .
Looks like our families are still spreading worldwide ,as my daughter and family are also naturalised Aussies as well . Must be something in the blood . ! Marion xx
9:54pm 06-11-2019
Stu
Hi again Marion,
It is a none secure site, maybe that is the reason and for our security.
Stu xx
9:44pm 06-11-2019
stu
Hi Marion
I'v' just signed in to see if you had responded to my reply and although it went this site, timed and dated, I've logged in only to see that it has been pulled.
I made a positive response to you with nice memories of the Kent Palmers and can't understand why they have pulled my email other than agreeing to write and mentioning that I would leave it to you initiate a contact as I don't know this sites protocol in respect to exchanging email addresses.
I will log on again later in the hope that you receive this.
Stu xx
12:34am 06-10-2019
Paul Shewen
Hi,
I am Paul Shewen son of Gill & grandson of Fred & Freida Green .
I had always been told I was of Portuguese decent and now I know the background where it all began.
So many memories of my happy childhood holidays with Fred & Freida on the farm at Three Holes then Stow Bardolph., poor Fred had 6 females to content with. Friday fish & chips from the Palmer Van…bliss.
In 1971 , age 17 I took what was supposed to be a 2 year working trip around Australia , Im still here but I do miss Norfolk.
Thoroughly enjoyed your research. Thankyou.
12:34pm 06-01-2019
marion ingram
Hi stuart . what a surprise to see your name after so many y .ears .I have been following the Palmer history site for some years ,and also had the pleasure of meeting up with many relatives at one of the reunions !
If you would like to catch up with news of the Kent branch please feel free to e;mail me .A lot of water has passed under the bridge ,but it is never too late .! Regards Marion xx
8:44pm 05-15-2019
Stu
On second thoughts Frisco may be sleeping in Denver, it's been so long since I last visited, but I'll be there in August whatever.
8:57pm 05-13-2019
Stu
Wow, this web site has just boomed before my eyes. I have seen photos of my great granddad, Fransico Da Silva, and granddad, Fransico Charles Parker, for the first time and my wife Ann spotted his dimple in his chin which I inherited.
I am fascinated by the funeral attendance of Francisco Da Silva by the names not in attendance especially his eldest ,Francisco Charles Parker but I know grandad died young and may have predeceased .
It is amazing that he was known for his gun and dog and mum would tell me about hunting with him and her dad in the little punts and his punt gun that was like a cannon that blew the boat backwards as it emptied the sky of ducks. No wonder he was known for his huge game count.
Well done on your research Annie,If my mum was alive today she could fill in the gaps and identify a lot of unknown photos. I'm so glad a lot of what she told me sank in. I guess it's because I had no father that my grandad and great grandad became heroes and a role models but 6 months is a bit harsh for poaching though ! .Mind you ,from what mum told me, there was other reasons for keeping him off the streets as he was a handsome man and the girls did like him. But that is another story
6:35pm 05-13-2019
Stuart
p.s.
I forgot to add that the order of the birth of Friscos children differs from your pages as it is as my mother ,Cecily,told me.
I guess the difference explains a few mysteries for me :-)
6:15pm 05-13-2019
Stuart
I am a grandson of Frisco and haveheard many tales of him.Though he died long before I was borne my mother,(and his youngest daughter) Cecily Maude, said I was a ringer for him in looks and ways.
Friscos off spring all moved from Norfolk, Uncle Ken to Cape Town,Irene (Reney) to Niagara and Uncle Cyril to Rochester, mum to Essex after many years.They all kept in touch with visits from abroad and in her later years mum visited South Africa and Canada.
Uncle Cyril is who I will always recall Kindly. Cyril was good to mum and to myself and younger brother .
Ken, Friscos eldest child and who married Eva, had two off spring, Avril and Dominica.
Irene and husband Paul,adopted a child in Canada in lieu of me, for Irene was to adopt me as I was born out of wedlock. Mum kept me in the end.
Cyril and his wife Milley had one big happy family and, as I have not seen them since Cyril died in the late 70s, I'll do my best to name them all as Roy, Brian, Kieth,Marion,Ian and Derrick.
I have visited both my great grand fathers and Friscos grave on my visits to Norfolk.Great grandad is in the church at Hilgay and grandad (if I may call you that,Frisco ?) is buried in the church yard of East Dereham, "Sleeping where no shadows fall" as the inscription reads.
For all the wrong reasons (and who knows, maybe for the best) the family in some aspects is scattered and incommunicado.

I visit England every year and, even before I came across this site , had already decided to visit granddad Friscos grave as a promise to my mum (his daughter) Cecily Maude.
She died in 2000 and wanted me to scatter her ashes next to her dad, but for the usual reasons that have nothing to do with love and loss, family dispute meant I was unable to fulfil that request but I will share a beer with him as I tell him what has happened since my last visit to his grave.
It was with my wife and two children (now parents themselves).Mum packed a picnic and as we sat where no shadows fell she told us more tales of Frisco until the ants climbed on her legs and we all laughed as she the old bugger is still playing tricks on me.
I vaguely remember Grandma Beattie,Friscos wife and mother to Ken, Irene,Cyril and Cecily.
After Frisco and Beattie parted she moved to Rochester where she lived with a merchant sailor who we got to know as grandpop French.
I remember her to flat faced lap dogs and we still have her Victorian umbrella in the hall way.
All our exotic prenames herald back to the days of our Portuguese ancestors who were De Silvas, probably why I have such a passion for hot chillies.
 I may bump into you twixt the 16th and 23rd of August you if you visiting a place where no shadows fall ?
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